People see staying up late as a moral failing and feel that it’s their job to guilt trip anyone who sleeps in as lazy and wasting the day away.
People see morning people as industrious and morally superior and don’t criticize them for their preferred sleeping habits. At worst they get some ribbing for not being able to stay away for new years, but it’s seen as understandable and a more pious lifestyle.
So… Yeah. Morning people wingeing in the comments here can fight me, I’ll meet you at 10 o. Clock tonight outside.
Yep morning people oppression probably stunted my growth. Starting classes in high school at 8:15 was horrendous, I basically spend the entire day as a zombie. Didn’t matter if I slept on a regular time schedule I always felt tired.
That’s true for most teenagers, what time you get up is as dependent on age as anything.
I fundamentally disagree (on a social level). Social dance mfers don’t even start until 9:30PM, most people rock up at 10:30PM
This some oppressive shit if you want to be up at 7 if that’s your body clock.
I want to sleep hombre.
I want to be up with the sun friend.
Where are my 6PM socials. Hurt.
I hate this joke and I’m going to address it seriously.
The majority of us sleep and wake at similar hours. If someone feels like sleeping only at 2:00 or 3:00 a.m., they are probably not a night person, there might be something wrong (e.g., too much caffeine, major depression). People who naturally feel the need to sleep extremely early or extremely late are rare.
Now, same bell curve logic, most people have a not-too-early and not-to-late natural clock. ‘Early birds’ and ‘night owls’ are also not the norm. The so-called morning people who naturally wake up at 7:00 a.m. or earlier and sleep early too are not only in the minority but also impacted by all the night lights, night life, “important ceremonies are at night”, etc. As students, many cannot go to sleep early because of homework, practices or activities in the dormitories. We are all affected by unrealistic schedules, especially people in demanding fields (e.g. medical field). This is why we have normalized taking stimulants.
Lastly, I need to say it, a lot of gamers think they are night people because they like to stay awake playing videogames. That’s not how circadian clocks work. I understand the quiet and freedom of nighttime, but that’s not necessarily our biological preference. When we are adults, we ought to find what our bodies need and provide it because our health (and future quality of life) depends on it. I’m giving this advice because it’s advice I would’ve liked to hear when I was younger.
Back to the meme, blaming the morning people is, again (we do it in many debates), shifting the blame from capitalism and a culture of “we need to do all the things, at all hours, cities that don’t sleep” to a group of people that’s not the 1%.
Sounds like morning people apologist talk
Fr. This is big morning propaganda.
Night owls of the world rise up! But only after midday, of course!
We were trusted to protect the village from the terrors in the night for thousands of years! Now we’re cast aside as pariahs, weird beings that shouldn’t be in the group just because we’re different. Until we regain the respect we deserve, the day walkers shall receive none of our treasures!
Just keep it down
You keep it down! Don’t you dare fucking mow your lawn before 1pm.
Is 1pm an exaggeration or am I unintentionally rude even though I’m trying to be respectful? I don’t do anything to make noise like mowing, running my chainsaw, etc until after 11am. I used to start up late and sleep in until I had kids (wish I still could) so even though I’m up by at least 6am I find other stuff to do until at least 11 . Nobody has complained but I don’t think I would have complained myself.
1pm is starting the hot part of the day. Anytime after 9am is ok.
10am, but only if using a push mower.
Can you be my neighbour? The new ones think 8am is the perfect time to stand outside my window and scream at each other. I’ve just gotten to sleep. Noise at 11 (even a lawnmower outside my room) I could sleep through, but that first two hours of sleep I struggle to stay asleep.
The problem is, when they start with construction noises at 8am, this is all fine and legal, but if I come back at them with vacuuming at 11pm, I’ll just get a fine.
It’s ok, I run my drier at night. It’s enough to be annoying and not enough for anyone to call the police.
Depends on the country. Mine doesn’t have laws about that, other than “disturbing the peace”. You can disturb the peace during the day too by revving an obnoxious motorcycle for instance. But no hours are codified as “night time” or “day time”. Only place it appears is blocks of flats, where the community can set it, when it’s binding. Also they can set it to be during any time they want it, so if a night owl sets it it could get weird :d
The darkness rises!
Everything is infinitly better at night.
Who decided that only people who are up and out before 10:30 AM deserve fresh biscuits? This world is fucked.
We just have to invent a new meal. Can’t have breakfast after 10:30? Fine, you can’t have midnight meal before 10:30!
Make it start at midnight. More exclusive
We already invented brunch. It’s too bad that it was such a good idea that it got overrun by hipster wankers.
Second breakfast calls for aid!
World is a fuck
130,000,000,000,000 dead Pillsbury doughboys
Y’all need some Bojangles! Fresh biscuits all day long.
Recently moved back to the south and am happy to have Bojangles back. But nothing tops a Hardee’s biscuit for me.
Economics? If there was a sufficiently large post 10:30 fresh biscuit market, I’m sure there would be providers in no time.
Me sneaking into the sleeping room to not wake up my wife who has already been sleeping for 3 hours.
vs
My wife yelling “get out of the bed, it’s already 9am!” in the morning.
I’m both you and your wife. I sneak into the sleeping room and I yell that it’s time to get up.
I’m a night person and my main job only has core hours in the afternoon. I’m also a farmer and if I don’t wake up and work in the morning, the heat is deadly in summer (our humidity is frequently 80+%). I’m now oppressed by the climate as well, hehehe.
Sunrise and sunset in eastern Japan are also super early, so I’m not getting much of anything done between the end of core time and sunset even on our longest days.
my main job
I’m also a farmer
Never has Japan felt so foreign to me as while reading this comment. Being a farmer (as a job, not just gardening as a hobby) and having another career at the same time? What is this sorcery?
I have a cousin who is a farmer in the US and also has to have a second job. He probably has millions invested in machinery, but last time I talked to him about it he said for the cost of the equipment to really make sense he needs more land to farm. Right now he has unused capacity.
Has he looked into switching over to growing Starfruit or Ancient Fruit? Wines and jams can also increase income.
But then you need a big cellar and sheds with tons of fermenters.
I just bought a house with land and started farming this year so maybe ask me in another year or two how it’s going, heh. No animals for now. I’ve managed to get a lot of food for us with some left over to sell.
Oh, in the US, nearly all farmers are either getting subsidies and/or have off-farm jobs
Japan also has heavily subsidized agriculture afaik.
The only government subsidies I could get that I know of (as a registered farmer) are from my local city to plant certain types of crops and it’s not a ton. JA (Japan Agriculture) might have something else, but I’m not sure. I imagine rice farming gets the bulk of things, and I don’t currently farm rice.
I mean Cole the Cornstar is also a grave digger and a YouTuber 🧑🌾🧑💼🧑💻
For the curious, this is from the dropout.tv show SmartyPants where comedians present lectures and it’s amazing
I hope they release more Smartypants soon. “When is the happiest birthday?” and “No thank you the ocean” are fucking incredible, but honestly it’s all gold.
The happiest birthday makes me upset.
Because his point is so stupid, but I can’t argue at all.
His choice would be a legendary birthday. Your friends would know your birthday before they knew their parents’ birthdates.
https://www.dropout.tv/smartypants sauce.
Youtube Um Actually for nerdy game show. https://www.youtube.com/@umactually that doesn’t require subscription.
I call that bullshit until owls give up the monopoly on every fucking fun event/gathering you can attend. Meeting with friends? Yeah let’s do this in the fucking night!! Concert or a party? God damn midnight would be sufficient. What? You want to have a fun time at reasonable time of fucking day? Boo opressor go to hell
Oh yeah because who wouldn’t love a party at 530 am like the morning people would like
We’re winning the war, you can see here one of the oppressors is demoralized by our brutal tactics
Morning people hit KPIs, I bet you can’t even fucking measure fun.
Monopoly my ass. You morning people are just too lame to organize things that don’t fucking suck.
Every once in a while someone forces me awake on a weekend morning, and I’m appalled by how eventless and boring it is until like noon anyway.
Ha, come hang with me in the summer on a Saturday. We’ll start climbing a 14,000 foot mountain (thats like 4600 meters for my EU friends) at 5/6am with intent on reaching the peak before 12. Why 12? Because the afternoon thunderstorms are rolling in and lets just say lightning is electrifying at 14000…. Well, at any height really.
Boring, never.
You’ve cured my insomnia. Thanks for the snooze.
(I’m just horsing around, please don’t hate me, I love you)
Sounds terrible. Where I live, the marine layer doesn’t even recede until afternoon anyway. The sun basically doesn’t get up until twelve. Why do I have to be?
Hiking before sunup is dangerous, so be sure to only do it when the dangers from late hiking grow to be larger or if there is a significant prize to be gained from finishing early (pizza)
Check out the sunrise times in the summer. 5am, we’re seeing dawn breaking. I’m not hiking in the dark, nor on a trail I don’t know. Also, flashlights help for those 20 min.
Yup, it is very often that the risk trade-off favours starting early. There’s a term alpine start for a reason. Whether it’s impending weather later in the day, or snow conditions will warm increasing avalanche risk, or the objective is just so long you want to make sure you’re back down on the easy bit. Had the latter last month. Did a traverse is seven summits and even with the 6am start it was dark by the time we got down from the ridge and back into the valley. Trail ran our way out by headlamps, singing dumb songs to not spook any grizzlies. Such a good outing!
I’ve actually seen more parties start in the afternoon or just after dinner here. I’m not even a morning person per se but I also don’t want to be home at 8am. I applaud it.
We could organize stuff earlier… If we weren’t either in work or sleeping after a full week of getting up in the morning to “be productive members of society” !
Barely relevant side note, I wanted to go to a concert in Poland, Powerwolf, Hammerfall and Wind Rose are playing in Kraków, but it’s on Monday? Who the hell makes a concert on Monday?!? God-damn it.
That’s because nigh owls are counter culture.
You’re saying that and yet the farmers market closes at 12pm. That shit is my fun, and yet I’m too sleepy to appreciate it
Only when I can have 24/7 Taco Bell again. I dont want Nacho Fries at 4 in the afternoon I want them at 3 am on a Wednesday.
Fuck that. Bring back 24/7 Walmart.
Walmart was actually sufferable at 3am.
Parties are optional. Work is not.
As a shitty musician and nonprofit fundraiser those events are my livelihood. I’m going to take advantage of my hootiness.
Recently my therapist:
Look at you! You used to work night shifts and now you’re working at 5 am!
Me:
Yes, nothing changed. I just don’t want to work near people. So I do what I can to minimize that.
Mate I love starting work at 6 AM. Being able to finish work before the early afternoon and having both the post-lunch rush over, pre-rush-hour on the highways, and almost all establishments empty is such a blessing. It’s a major life change from working third shift.
The only good thing about third shift was being drunk at 8am convincing yourself it’s normal because 8am is your night time.
As a morning person, I don’t want more people waking up early, it’s my peaceful time and I want to keep it that way.
I wish night owls respected my sleep time during holidays instead of making explosions at night cause of reasons (fireworks).
then will the morning traffic quit making noise at 8 AM?
Right? This person is so fucking entitled. How dare people enjoy a few nights a year!
Synthesis: everyone should have a well constructed residence with ample sound damp
ening where late night fireworks and early morning traffic noise wouldn’t be a problem. Capitalist real estate developers minimizing their costs and maximizing their profits have us fighting each other when they’re the real problem.e; I was actually thinking microphones would pick up and retransmit sounds after running it through some reverb and flanging to get a cozy underwater effect, but damping external sounds makes a lot more sense
Dampening means making something damp (wet). The word you’re probably looking for is “damping.”
Ah, you’re totally right,thank you, I’d been using those interchangeably without thinking about it much
That edit deserves extra kudos
Drag doesn’t think we need to build better insulation in order to stop traffic noise. All we need to do is ban explosion powered cars. However, we should install better insulation anyway to save electricity and reduce carbon use even further.
Unfortunately most noise from cars at speeds above 30km/h is due to tires hitting the road surface, not engines.
That’s why we also need speed limits of 30km/h in residential and commercial areas.
why would we want a lower speed limit than school parking lots have?
That doesn’t stop anyone in the states
That’s more bearable than the fuckers with loud exhaust.
All of this can be true
That only helps quiet down cars below 30 km/h. Above that speed, most noise is either rolling noise or wind noise.
Drag suggests solving the problem by improving the train lines. Electric trains are quieter than cars. If everyone takes the train to work, there will be less car noise.
There’s still traffic that late?
Oh no, you have to be inconvenienced on three holidays a year! Night owls have to drag themselves out of bed every day because some dickheads decided that every job has to start at 8 AM.
Parties and drunk kids happen all year around.
I just chose the obvious example.
Swing and graveyard shifts exist.
Only if you don’t want to use your degree
Depends on the degree. Hospitals , factories and utilities all operate 24 hours. A wide range of roles/degrees needed there. With work from home time shifting and supporting a region in a time zone more acceptable to an individual’s sleep schedule is possible. I did this in IT, also common in finance and banking.
Drag read that burning heavy metals in the atmosphere is bad for public health and wildlife. Drag is ashamed drag didn’t realise it from common sense and instead had to have it explained to drag. Drag is now enlightened that fireworks are bad.
Let’s do drone shows instead.
Drone shows for the win!
Moving the fireworks to when the sun is high in the sky will be a hard sell, no one can see them and everyone will complain, daysider and nightsider.
Tell the markets to stay open past noon or the shopping centres to stay open later than five. Late night shopping where I live is six pm. Weekend shopping? Four pm, unless the shop randomly decides to close at two. I’ve lost count how often I have rocked up to a store, and hour before closing, to find out they closed early so they could go enjoy the sun.
Seriously, I hate that if I keep to my normal sleep schedule (and this avoids insomnia and being sick all the time), I have a two hour window on most days to get things done. That two hours is from the moment I wake until shops close, not including the normal wake up stuff like showering, or eating. It also doesn’t include travel time, and I live in a sprawl where everything is a half hour away. I’d love to support the farmers markets, or browse the local markets and fairs. They are closing when I arrive, and I’ve already sacrificed sleep to try and attend.
If only you knew the joy of walking around the city at night. Not a damn soul. (Unless it’s the weekend ofc, then the streets are full and everyone is smashed)
I believe this is a screenshot from “Smarty-pants” and I can strongly recommend the episode “God’s Mistakes: How I Would Make Our Bodies Better”
Yup, I just watched this episode yesterday. It’s Pallavi Gunalan, on episode 7 of Smartypants.
Fuck yeah I am, now get out of bed, we’re gonna be on the trail by dawn
“We ride at dawn bitches!”
Gentlemen to bed, for we rise at 8:30 for 9!
