hey folks, here’s a quick update on our decision to defederate from
sh.itjust.works! (and here’s sh.itjust.works
[https://sh.itjust.works/post/129725]’s side of this update) we got in touch
with the head admin over there, The Dude, and we had a pretty good chat about
our concerns and reason for defederating. while immediate re-federation is just
bluntly off the table with the rudimentary state of Lemmy’s moderation tools, we
now have a pretty good idea of the roadmap to refederating with them. we think
we’ll eventually be able to do this, although we don’t have a timetable on when
yet. we’re also now collaborating with him on how to move forward–and in the
weeks and months to come we’ll be pushing to expedite the process of developing
some of the necessary tools. this decision has really helped us make connections
that can hopefully realize those tools both on the desktop side and in apps
being developed for Lemmy. we’re also hoping to collaborate with other Lemmy
administrators who have needs like our own, or just generally want more granular
tools at their disposal. we did also get in touch with the lemmy.world owner
prior to defederating to share the concerns that prompted us to
defederate[^1]–but we have not received any communication from him since it was
levied, so there’s no roadmap at all there as of now. we’re always open to
reconsidering and collaborating to end the defederation with him, but for now
the earliest i can give you is “when mod tools are in a better state”. that’s
all for now folks. if any new significant developments take place we’ll announce
them as needed. [^1]: we’re only bringing this up now because it was just not
useful information in the context of our announcement. it almost certainly would
have been interpreted as some sort of callousness and/or brought unnecessary
sectarianism and grief to him. at the end of the day he has his reasons and
desires for running lemmy.world how he does, and we have ours for running Beehaw
as we do. because of social and technological circumstances those are just
incompatible right now, and that’s fine.
(Posting to lemmy.world seems to be disabled so I’m posting this here instead.)
This inconsistency has been bothering me, so I went poking around in their support community, and the best I could find was a statement saying they had reached out to the admins of both. Apparently they expected @ruud@lemmy.world to reply to something that didn’t seem like a question as indicated by his response in Beehaw Support. As such, they claim to have no roadmap to eventually refederate with lemmy.world.
I added a reply from another instance, but I’m guessing I won’t receive a reponse so if anyone knows, I would like to better understand the issue. It’s quite annoying feeling like I’m missing out, especially when I’m seeing inflammatory overly generalized statements from kbin.social users about how lemmy.world deserved to be defederated over in this post on lemmy.ml.
That is some damning evidence that they really did defederate over effectively nothing. I don’t quite understand how the modlog works or how to filter it, so I’m glad you were able to research that and confirm because I was curious if there were a lot of records in there leading up to the defederation.
TBH, as I haven’t spun up my own instance to see what admins can do, I can’t say for sure if what I see is the whole record.
That said, the modlog is described in the docs as being there to provide transparency, so at face value, it seems that five people may have been all it took.
I also haven’t looked closely into what “purged a user” means vs the other more transparent actions on the modlog, so I have to say, “take all these comments with a grain of salt.” I’m still learning about lemmy as a platform.
I may be mistaken, but from what I gather the modlog is…Kind of a mess. It appears to aggregate the admin/mod actions of admins & mods across instances & communities, and doesn’t allow for filtering to the specific instance or community.
You can see this if you come across someone that’s been banned in a different instance but made a new account in another with the same name by filtering the modlog by username (albeit that can be finicky, like a lot of things atm).
That is some damning evidence that they really did defederate over effectively nothing. I don’t quite understand how the modlog works or how to filter it, so I’m glad you were able to research that and confirm because I was curious if there were a lot of records in there leading up to the defederation.
TBH, as I haven’t spun up my own instance to see what admins can do, I can’t say for sure if what I see is the whole record.
That said, the modlog is described in the docs as being there to provide transparency, so at face value, it seems that five people may have been all it took.
I also haven’t looked closely into what “purged a user” means vs the other more transparent actions on the modlog, so I have to say, “take all these comments with a grain of salt.” I’m still learning about lemmy as a platform.
I may be mistaken, but from what I gather the modlog is…Kind of a mess. It appears to aggregate the admin/mod actions of admins & mods across instances & communities, and doesn’t allow for filtering to the specific instance or community.
You can see this if you come across someone that’s been banned in a different instance but made a new account in another with the same name by filtering the modlog by username (albeit that can be finicky, like a lot of things atm).
That makes sense that it’s not necessarily what it first seems.