• key@lemmy.keychat.orgEnglish
    82·
    11 months ago

    Makes me kinda wish that when defederating you could select a one word label for why. Like a fixed list with several options like pedo, spam, harassment, abandoned, etc and a default of other. Make it a bit easier with a big list like this to say, oh 1000 of these 1400 all selected “racism” when defederating so it’s probably very racist and I should also defederate. But if it’s a lot of “other” or inconsistent reasons maybe I should spend a bit of time digging.

    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafeEnglish
      51·
      11 months ago

      Sees a bunch of “freeze speech” including “freespeechextremist”- lol the classic

      Sees “freecumextremist”- oh no, the classic!

  • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
    471·
    11 months ago

    seal.cafe, cawfee.club and sleepy.cafe sure got welcoming names. Given the number of defederations, I doubt the contents are anything like the names.

    • viking@infosec.pubEnglish
      71·
      11 months ago

      Most of them were automatically defederated for not having adequate protection against bot signups, that got nothing to do with sketchy content.

      • Mango@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        11 months ago

        As someone interested in both sides of security game theory, what exactly helps stop bots? I grew up playing RuneScape and hating bots before making r/Artisanvideos and hating them even more. I’ve always wondered if it’s a matter of automatically detecting precise repetitive patterns or just specific giveaway signs.

      • hansl@lemmy.worldEnglish
        52·
        11 months ago

        If the bots are welcomed and they don’t have good enough moderation, this is just sketchy content with extra steps.

  • AngryMob@lemmy.oneEnglish
    516·
    11 months ago

    This should include a user count in each so we can see just how many pedos and nazis are being punted to their own little disgusting bubbles

    • Sanyanov@lemmy.worldEnglish
      454·
      11 months ago

      A little correction: while some of pedo instances are full of potential child abusers, others are based on non-offending (i.e. stop fucking children ffs) principles.

      The latter are actually extremely important since they provide a gateway for otherwise potentially dangeous individuals to gain support and find professional help. Trying to instead blindly seed hatred towards people with any immutable traits is never productive, be it any mental disorder, sexuality, or otherwise, same as race and gender. In this case, it only prevents pedophiles from seeking help, making them more likely to become the child predator type and actually pose danger to kids.

      Being a pedophile is not a choice. Being a Nazi or a child abuser are, and those should fuck themselves (but also reconsider what they do and what they believe in).

      • El Barto@lemmy.worldEnglish
        102·
        11 months ago

        I’ll play the devil’s advocate here. Not supporting or opposing your point of view. Just to add to the discussion. Let’s use another extreme: People with a killing spree sexual attraction. I know, I know, it may be not the same, and it’s something that doesn’t exist (God I hope!) But for the sake of the argument, let’s assume it does.

        You have this forum of people posting memes about mass killings and frustrations about not being able to kill, but that you would totally never ever kill anyone, even though the urge is there.

        What would you think of such community? Would it be a safe one?

        (Dear CIA, NSA, FBI agents, the above is just a completely hypothetical scenario. I am a law-abiding citizen. Always have, always will.)

        • Sanyanov@lemmy.worldEnglish
          13·
          11 months ago

          I’d argue it’s way better to give them a platform to vent, so instead of going to the street and killing everyone they post memes and share therapists.

          Would I be grossed out? Hell yeah, just like with pedophilia. Would I still think it’s a good thing? Absolutely.

          It’s easy to go with your gut feeling and think you’re righteous to follow it. It’s always harder to think it through and do and support what’s actually right.

        • FlickOfTheBean@lemmy.worldEnglish
          7·
          11 months ago

          …there is a joke here that I could make about incel forums. I’m not going to try to because it’s in poor taste, but my point is that I’m pretty sure that does exist…

          Also, what’s your actual position if that’s your devil’s advocate position? I’m a bit unsure if the implication there is intentional or not

          • El Barto@lemmy.worldEnglish
            7·
            11 months ago

            Well, I don’t really have a position. I think pedophilia is heinous, but I understand that sexual attraction is not a choice. Would an internet forum be a good and healthy supporting tool for pedophiles making an effort to do the right thing? That’s the question I’m trying to answer.

      • AngryMob@lemmy.oneEnglish
        56·
        11 months ago

        Being a pedo may not be a choice, but acting on it definitely is. And any pedo who has to go searching for pedo friendly communities is not looking for help, theyre looking to get off.

        Its not a big secret to them that they have something wrong to live with. They dont need a support community to tell them how not to fuck kids. It shouldnt take that much self control for them to not fuck kids…

        I’d even bet the vast majority of them already do just fine living normal lives. Just like the vast majority of “normal” adults dont go around raping each other just because they feel sexually aroused by someone.

        • Sanyanov@lemmy.worldEnglish
          142·
          11 months ago

          How do you jump from “searching for pedo friendly communities” to “looking to get off”?

          Imagine being a gay in a country where you’ll be in real danger if you’ll ever mention it. Would you like to have someone at least online to talk about how you feel? Probably yes. Same idea. It’s hard to hold up things that big throughout life, as just about any closeted LGBT+ person will tell you.

          And then with any attraction that is actually dangerous and also illegal when acted on, like, well, pedophilia, or zoophilia, or biastophilia, or God knows what, there will always be people in doubt on whether they should go for it or not. And a community of people with the same issue telling them “we know how you feel, but CERTAINLY NO” would be way more productive than randoms on the Internet shaming them and putting them into the same bin as actual rapists.

          Of course, most of them will probably never offend regardless. But people in doubt, as well as people in mental distress, are to always keep in mind. And if you ignore them, you get more child abuse, more suicides, and more pain and suffering in the world.

          • AngryMob@lemmy.oneEnglish
            63·
            11 months ago

            Maybe im wrong and they need support. Maybe im not. I certainly am in no position to say one way or another with authority. But i’d rather be wrong about keeping them shamed than be wrong about letting them feel positive about their issue.

            Either way, i respectfully am done discussing the topic for now. I will give your opinions some thought though.

  • Clbull@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6324·
    11 months ago

    This is why I believe federation should be an opt-in process rather than servers being federated by default.

    Some of you may remember when Lemmy World was flooded with CSAM by other hostile instances and had to temporarily disable image uploads.

    • 👁️👄👁️@lemm.eeEnglish
      581·
      11 months ago

      That would destroy the already limited content of the fedi. It’s like people hate content discovery for some reason.

    • VBB@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      11 months ago

      there are peoples who create instances for their families, who is going to manually federate with all these small instances?

      • RickRussell_CA@kbin.social
        61·
        11 months ago

        Nominally, you’d need to go through some request process to request federation with other large instances. Then they’d vet your configuration before adding you.

        • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
          21·
          11 months ago

          Would be nice if they had some form of agreement where you can get accepted by one big instance, you get accepted by all. Or maybe even a standard order form and application which you can send to all major instances with the click of a button

      • Rin@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        11 months ago

        I’m actually thinking of doing the same for myself.

    • Margot Robbie@lemmy.worldEnglish
      42·
      11 months ago

      Lemmy supports both blacklist and whitelist federation, but the only large instance that uses whitelist federation as far as I know currently is Hexbear.

  • pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    312·
    11 months ago

    Not aware of any of these, which is nice, but iddqd caught my eye since that’s a Doom reference! Overall I always thought the Doom community was pretty positive (at least going by Doomworld forums, and various Doom streamers, as I remember them). I thought surely it must be some misunderstanding! Oh maybe they didn’t reply quickly enough to take down some drive-by hate speech, but that was it.

    Anyway, holy shit, do not go to that lemmy instance. It’s rotten to the core. I’m going to go take a shower and play through Episode 1 to cleanse myself now.

    • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
      193·
      11 months ago

      It’s pretty standard 4chan-NEET fare, for anyone who is wondering. Racism, homophobia, xenophobia, trad wives, and quasi-pro-nazi shit.

      Not worth your time to check out. Small community of sad nerds.

      • Serinus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        71·
        11 months ago

        4chan wasn’t like that before 2015. Well, except for the racism part. It was leftish/libertarian.

        It’s also the easiest “social media” platform to game. You don’t have to make up a history for each user. You don’t have to get upvoted. You don’t even really need to make sense.

        • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
          53·
          11 months ago

          Hell way back in the day, 4chan was one of my go-to websites, before the joking and trolling on /b/ really wasn’t joking and trolling any more.

            • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
              42·
              11 months ago

              Right. The really early oughts, when trolling was still a real thing, were so radically different that it’s hard to explain to people these days

    • neutron@thelemmy.clubEnglish
      8·
      11 months ago

      iddqd was a well known cheat code from the era, not exactly obscure if not contemporary.

    • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      136·
      11 months ago

      The Doom fandom will always have the dark shadow of the Columbine High School deaths in its history. So shitty people using Doom to be shitty people isn’t that far from the mark. Nothing will ever change that, sorry.

  • EndlessApollo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    23·
    11 months ago

    What did poa.st do? All I know is that fashy HAL guy in the comments thinks the head mod is cringe and stupid and that seems like a good quality. Lots of very specific rules against cp tho which is a big red flag

    • Zak@lemmy.worldEnglish
      37·
      11 months ago

      It hosts Nazis. I don’t use that term hyperbolically; I’m talking about accounts with swastika emojis in their display names saying things like “the holocaust wasn’t real but it should have been”.

      The path for said custom emoji is emoji/custom/windmilloffriendship.png, which I do not wish to link directly.

      • Skates@feddit.nlEnglish
        81·
        11 months ago

        Maybe its their instances and those are just the way they are

        • Mango@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          11 months ago

          That’s actually pretty concerning, however my mantra is that anything with bad optics just stays in my head. Nobody can gather what I won’t say!

  • kerrigan778@lemmy.worldEnglish
    15·
    11 months ago

    It’s funny/sad the stark contrast between the ones where you can’t really tell why they’re defederated from just the name vs the ones where it’s extremely obvious (and how little in-between there is)

    • WhatThaFudge@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      14·
      11 months ago

      So you need to look at the number of de federations. That is basically how many other instances have blocked them and do not receive content from them to their feed. You can still go to all these instances using their respective urls and see what they are like. The reasons for blocking them vary depending on the instance. Edit: They can still be federated with other instances that don’t block them creating their own little fediverse bubbles.

    • Akagigahara@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      11 months ago

      Federated means that any instance that is federated with them receives their content and can bee seen on that instance.

      Defederated means they are not federated anymore, thus blocking both users and content.

      It’s usually done to combat content you don’t want on your instance

      • bouldering_barista@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        11 months ago

        Ok ok… So me using Lemmy.world is a specific instance of Lemmy, so it’s almost like its own server? And other instances (maybe lemmy.unitiedstates?) is its own federated instance likely related to just U.S. posts and it can communicate with other instances? Do de-federated instances have no other communication with instances?

        Apologies if these are silly, I feel like a dum dum because everyone else seems to grasp this except me.

        • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          8·
          11 months ago

          When you use Gmail to send an email to Outlook, those two servers are federated.

          Defederation blocks communication between servers.

        • Vanix@lemmy.worldEnglish
          7·
          11 months ago

          You pretty much got it! One nitpick, your example of Lemmy.unitedStates is not NECESSARILY a federated instance, just an instance. It may or may not be federated with other instances.

          De-federated instances lose communication to/from the instances that said “im gonna de-federate from these Nazis”, so again you pretty much got it right :) not silly questions at all! It’s a new concept to many people and I promise you MANY people have and will ask these “dumb” (but not actually) questions!

    • Gianmarco Gargiulo@feddit.itEnglish
      7·
      11 months ago

      Defederated means that the server has been forbidden from connecting and communicating with specific other servers that have decided to defederate with it, so users from the server can’t see or interact with users and posts on the server that defederated it and vice versa. Hopefully I was clear and coincise.