• Chozo@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    10
    arrow-down
    10
    ·
    1 year ago

    Not sure why you’re getting downvoted

    Because LemmyWorld is full of immature users who think that anybody who pays money for a thing they get extensive use out of is a shill. They think that using adblockers is somehow sticking it to The Man.

    I’m starting to understand why LW has the reputation it does now.

      • Chozo@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        By being seen as the de facto “hub” for Lemmy, they’ve attracted a large chunk of Redditors who haven’t left their Redditor attitudes behind them. As LW continues to grow, I’ve been noticing a lot more immaturity on the platform as of late. It’s honestly a little disappointing to see.

      • Chozo@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        1 year ago

        How else do you expect a globally-accessible video hosting service that requires no upfront costs for users to upload millions of video files at the cost of several petabytes of data transfers every day to function?

        On donations?

          • Chozo@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            9
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            1 year ago

            The users generating the content people actually want to watch wouldn’t be able to do so without the monetization that’s in place, though. They can’t make content for free, and shouldn’t be expected to. And not all creators can rely on sponsorships to subsidize themselves, either, so most creators rely pretty heavily on ad revenue in order to stay afloat on the platform and keep the lights on.

            If the creators can’t afford to keep creating, then that also degrades YouTube’s service as a whole, as well.

            • NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              5
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              Really? I’m pretty sure people can make youtube content, and maintain a job. If youtube can’t stay afloat without invasive ads happening every 5 minutes then youtube deserves to go the way of MySpace and every other dead platform before them. Simple as that. Youtube isn’t a necessity.

              • Chozo@kbin.social
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                9
                arrow-down
                4
                ·
                1 year ago

                If that’s how you feel, then don’t use it. Don’t consume the content made by people who quite likely rely on ad revenue to pay their rent.

                Simple as that.

        • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          1 year ago

          “the price is what the market will bear” or whatever. I used to pay for ytp (red)/gpm. Paused for a month, went to resub, was like +$4 more a month. I don’t value yt at ~$16, not even at ~$12 really but hey, they wouldn’t fuck billions of users over in the pursing of profits, right? If yt/Google was a scrappy little startup, or a creator that I valued, sure, here’s $5 a month through patreon. But they aren’t, they bought a platform with no clear avenue to monetization/breaking even, and sat on it for 10 years, and then they want to be like ‘please we are the victim here, it’s the evil ad blockers that are forcing us into the streets!’.

          G has, metrically speaking, fuck-tons of money. And if they so desperately need to clear their books, they can always close yt, anytime they want. Or they could let the customers pay what they think the service is worth. Hell, they could even shift the costs to the creators, which isn’t the worst idea in the world - it’d at least stop kids from uploading their fortnite clips with them screaming into their mics. Not everybody should be allowed in front of a webcam.

          But as long as it’s [number higher than I value yt as] or [shitty experience], I will take option 3 and tell g to gag on my balls, and I shall enjoy my $5 and my ad-free experience.

          Lots of options, but nah “fuck the users” came out on top. Acting like the users are the reason why they bought and operated a money pit for 15 years is just hilarious.

          • Chozo@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            6
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            You say YouTube’s solution was “fuck the users”, but the solutions you offered are “fuck the creators”. I’m not sure how that’s any better.

            • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              I fail to see how asking creators for their cost in storage space is “fucking the creator” but okay

              • SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                Storage isn’t the only cost, or even the major cost, it’s bandwidth to serve them

                I don’t see a better way for YouTube to be managed in the current environment, but I do agree it’s not the best possible way; it’s just the ideal way is limited to an ideal world, which we don’t have.

                • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  That can be a shared expense, but bandwidth is variable and storage space isn’t, so I imagine yt would charge by the MB for uploads but do a simplified floating split cost for bandwidth. Again, not everyone should be able to blast the internet with their (tbh) shitty unboxing, multiplayer raging, prank/harassment, 8 second meme, etc videos.

                  Everyone knew - or should have known - that yt was a money pit. I was happy that the og devs got bought out, but the writing was on the wall back then. The fact that g let it sit for so long before trying to recoup some funds for it is one reason why everyone is so pissy about the whole paying vs ads debate - it was free and non-intrusive for so long, the fuck do they need to fix it now?

                  So yeah, my idea is shitty for the people who aren’t able to bankroll their video startup career, but if you just open yt and take in what kind of ‘content’ is being created and shoveled… The fact that they haven’t at least pitched the idea is an active disservice to the internet as a whole. I don’t think it would be so bad, short-term pain for long-term (theoretical) sustainability.