• folkrav@lemmy.ca
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    I’m as critical as the next guy of how overused and abused serverless/microservice architectures can be, but there’s disliking something and being completely disingenuous. Some of the comments every time the subject is even remotely mentioned fall into the latter. This time is not the exception lol

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      I mean that’s generally the case with most tech. Just like the never ending PHP hate. Plenty of reasons to dislike or not use it but no reason to think it’s the scum of the earth.

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        On a tangent, I imagine PHP is still one of the most used backends. Wordpress uses PHP and I wouldn’t be surprised if 50% or more of the websites I visited are Wordpress sites. So I guess many others experience the same?

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          Very widely used still and well maintained. It’s been a good options since 7 came around. Most of the hate IMO comes from people who were working with PHP4/5 code or people who just saw PHP4/5 code and think that’s what the language is today.

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            It really depends on how much customization has gone into the site. TechCrunch, Wired, and TIME all use WordPress for example, but their theme is customized to the point where you can’t really tell that it’s WordPress. There are some ways to tell though, for example some of the larger sites are hosted by Automattic (these say “powered by WordPress VIP” in the footer), and /wp-admin usually still works to go to the login page.

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          Yeah, this stat is always a bit dubious sounding to me (how much of it is blogspam?), but WP is still much more prevalent than most devs seem to realize.

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          Plus, Facebook literally forked PHP and still uses it, and is one of the most popular sites on the internet

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            Modern-day Hack (the language PHP uses) looks pretty different to PHP, and the runtime is a complete rewrite rather than a fork. HHVM uses C++ while PHP uses C.

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              That’s true, it would be more accurate to say that much of the web uses PHP or Hack, a PHP derivative. I think I was moreso thinking along the lines of the previous comments about the hatred for PHP being more of a meme at this point than a reality

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        Yeah… Indeed, our field is pretty prone to weird tribalism and jumping on bandwagons. Still, I dislike that just as much lol

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          For sure. People find a niche they like and then think that is the solution to any problem. Until, of course, some new shiny tech catches their eye and they try that out (or their favorite clickbait Medium writer comes out with an article about “Why you shouldn’t be using ____ anymore in 2023”). Then the love of their life gets thrown to the curb.

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      I think it’s a maturity thing. You eventually see so many trends come and go, peaks and troughs of hype cycles and some developers (probably including yourself at least once!) overusing certain new tech.

      You eventually discover what works with current tech and then you can become healthily critical of anything new. You see it more for where it can fit and where it can’t.

      If you have something small and stateless then serverless is easy and, more importantly, scalable. It was a little easier to see its role once the hype fog had lifted and I had a problem to solve with it.

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        see so many trends come and go

        It’s interesting how things are cyclical. Serverless functions remind me of cgi-bin scripts.

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          Yep, it’s usually an existing idea with progression in a few areas. You could definitely achieve serverless with a cluster of servers hosting the same scripts in cgi-bin and I think that context helps to put it into perspective.

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            I feel like I should start a “serverless” startup that’s just Apache running in a Kubernetes cluster with a bunch of cgi-bin scripts in a Ceph cluster. Boom, serverless with high availability.

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              If you only focus on the concept of a serverless function and forego 99% of the other stuff, yeah 😛