• sandbox@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Once again, that’s not what I’m talking about. You’re having an argument with a strawman.

    Though, I don’t particularly think you have a strong argument. Again, I refer you to my previous comment. I’m sure there are lots of cultures and societies that had to change how they made ends meet economically, and deal with the changes or ending of traditions associated with the end of the slave trade. That’s not a strong enough argument for the continuation of slavery. Likewise, tradition and economics aren’t strong enough justification to continue animal exploitation.

    If you were to ask me, how would the people of the Faroe islands survive without the fishing industry, I’d say, how do you propose that OPEC nations survive without the oil and gas industries? Change is a part of life, and people need to accept that. Personally, I’d be more than happy for the state of Denmark to ensure that the needs of those people are met.

    But, again, you’re forcing this argument on yourself.

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      Change is a part of life, and people need to accept that.

      …which is why they’re using a spinal lance now instead of a knife so that the kill is as humane as possible?

      This is like America and guns, or Britain and tea, or New Zealand and sheep shagging. Like Italians and valuing ingredient quality, like Germans and griping. They’re not going to stop. Change, sure, the Kiwis might change to goats. But stop?

      They very well might stop hunting dolphins in particular, though. If you really want to make them stop completely then I suggest pouring even more mercury into the seas.

      Which brings me to: Have you any idea how green the Faroese are? Conscious and connected to the nature surrounding them? Intensely worried about pollution? They’re probably going to be the first nation to hit 100% renewable electricity use including in transportation. How they’re actually best pals with Greenpeace? That Sea Shepherd is the odd rabid dog out, demonstrating again and again just why they’ve been kicked out of Greenpeace?

      Personally, I’d be more than happy for the state of Denmark to ensure that the needs of those people are met.

      By and large they don’t want to be part of Denmark. It’s only money which is currently keeping them in the union and they sure as hell aren’t going to knee-cap their economy to increase their dependence on Denmark.

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        This is like America and slaves. Or britain and slaves. Or france and slaves. Or Spain and slaves. They’re not going to stop. Change, sure, but stop?

        You know, the nazis were really good about preventing animal cruelty, so I guess that just excuses them for their other evil shit they did.

        We’re done here, thanks for your time.

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          3 months ago

          Are you seriously

          1. Considering slavery to be an integral part of the culture of those people and
          2. Still comparing slavery to eating meat.

          You know, the nazis were really good about preventing animal cruelty

          You know what else the Nazis did? Hunt. Extensively. Have a picture of Göring. Is that

          1. more evil, or
          2. less evil

          than the holocaust and the slavery that came along with it?


          …also the Americans didn’t stop they just switched slave labour over to prison labour.

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            Given that the US had a huge civil war over the issue and is still dealing with the legacy of it today, yeah, I’d say it’s quite an integral part of the culture.

            and yes, I’m still comparing slavery of humans to the slavery of animals. Might interest you to know there are a few holocaust survivors who compare animal agriculture to the holocaust, too.

            My point wasn’t that we should model our behaviour after the nazis. My point was that we shouldn’t excuse some evil acts because the perpetrator has done some good.