Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards, though not yet.

  • Psythik@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    17
    ·
    10 months ago

    Yeah and I already do. But why make it a key combo when you could just have a single dedicated key instead?

    It’s not like anyone actually uses the menu key or the right Start key anyway. 'Bout damn time Microsoft remaps them to something more useful. Next they should do the Pause/Break key. That one hasn’t been useful since the DOS days.

    • FreeSoftware Ganoo@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      27
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      10 months ago

      We should also get a chrome key

      And a windows store key

      And a Microsoft.com link key

      A key to open minecraft

      Why not a key for launching the “windows action menu” or whatever they call it

      A key to open the control panel

      How about a key to open the settings menu?

      Why are we limiting ourselves? We should have 500 keys and at least 300 of them should be unique to windows.

        • kux@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          10 months ago

          it had a few hardcore fans, a quick search for RT9450 shows people still trying to get that to work up to about 2020

          honestly i wouldn’t mind having another scroll wheel/bar on the keyboard somewhere, in the middle above the function keys might be cool

          also fyi that link can be tidied to https://www.ebay.com/itm/363221421164

      • Psythik@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        17
        ·
        10 months ago

        Because none of those keys are useful. AI is useful and isn’t Microsoft exclusive.

        Once keyboards start adding the key, I’d be legitimately surprised if the major Distros didn’t eventually follow suit and integrate AI into their platforms as well. Hell, it might get built right into your favorite desktop environment in a couple years.

        • Beefy-Tootz@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          ·
          10 months ago

          I get your point, AI is useful for some people, but what about the rest of us who don’t want it or use it? I genuinely use the menu key and would prefer to keep it functioning as it does and now I’m going to be forced to lose that key and now I have to deal with AI? It has no use for me. I also don’t want something actively watching and “thinking” about what I’m doing. I want my computer somewhat dumb and to only do what I tell it to. If you want a keyboard with a dedicated AI button, get one with a macro pad or something. Don’t inconvenience the rest of us by forcing a nonsensical change

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          10 months ago

          Their point was that you could just assign the scroll lock key (or whatever) to open ChatGPT instead because who the fuck uses scroll lock?

          • Psythik@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            10 months ago

            Funny you say that, cause as a FL Studio user I hit that key all the time. (It switches between auto/manual scrolling of playlist, i.e. it locks/unlocks auto scrolling.)

      • Psythik@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        11
        ·
        10 months ago

        Yes but you’re missing my point entirely. What I’m saying is that I’m happy that Microsoft is making it official, so that I don’t have to remap anything.

        • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          10 months ago

          MS used to sell a keyboard with a custom button to start your web browser.

          Now that web browsing is common but that key has been removed from keyboards, do you still remap a hotkey to bring up Firefox?

          • QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            10 months ago

            I’m ambivalent about all this, but I think the distinction is that a web browser button would simply open a persistent window, and therefore only really needs to be used once or twice per “session”. Copilot is designed to act more like the Start menu, in that it is opened frequently and disappears after each use.

            That being said, and as much as I use ChatGPT myself, it’s hard to see this as anything more than an easy way to further the perception of Microsoft as first-class AI company, thereby justifying its high stock price for a corporation with limited new growth opportunities.

            • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              edit-2
              10 months ago

              Copilot is designed to act more like the Start menu, in that it is opened frequently and disappears after each use.

              Copilot’s session maintains state. That is it modifies responses to your questions to get more accurate. This means it needs to be left open even more than Google.

              Google is almost stateless. The second query you give it doesn’t immediately change based on the first query, so the old style keyboard with a web browser button is more useful than a button to launch copilot. Because you need to keep a single session open until the problem is solved or you lose all that state information.

              • QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                10 months ago

                I didn’t mean to imply that Copilot is stateless when I said that the window shouldn’t be persistent. I don’t really disagree with anything you’re saying though, I’m just guessing that Microsoft expects/hopes that Copilot will soon be as integrated into most everyday computing workflows as the Start menu, rather than a full web browser. Probably wishful thinking, but only time will tell.

                Also, you’re kind of advocating for a Bing button more so than a web browser button. Don’t give Microsoft any ideas :P

                • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  10 months ago

                  Also, you’re kind of advocating for a Bing button more so

                  The windows key is a Bing button. You press it and type things to search but Windows gives you Bing results along with local apps that match what you type.

                  To increase Bing hit results they even automatically show a list of “trending searches” that have nothing to do with your search or any possible search history.

                  I just hit the Windows button to see what happens and got “Kelly Clarkson weight loss” “Tyreek hill house fire” and “Caitlin Clark” in trending searches. I don’t even know who they are.

    • kurcatovium@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      edit-2
      10 months ago

      Hey! I do use menu key regularly! And same with pause and scroll lock! Print creen is obvious and everyone uses it. Right? Right!? RIGHT?!?

      • psud@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        10 months ago

        Print screen used to be a good button for screen capture/window capture. But now the various screenshot apps do the job better. Ctrl+Prt Scr is maybe still good for being fast

    • lemmyvore@feddit.nl
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      10 months ago

      Pause is usually the compose key (diacritics starter) on Linux desktops. But I’ll agree about Scroll Lock, that one is truly useless.

      • psud@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        10 months ago

        Excel uses scroll lock to make people think it’s broken lock the scroll bars in case you don’t want to be able to see the rest of your sheet