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But I was assured by the ncd guys that Russia would choke on Kursk and balkanize any day now that Biden let Ukraine strike inside Russia!
Yeah every Western analyst has been saying: You’re stupid and propagandized to think that the meat grinder war can be won by the country with the most meat.
And I was assured that the Russian economy was doing great due to the increasing GDP and the sanctions weren’t affecting things.
Perhaps reality lies somewhere between what the blowhards and propagandists are saying. And perhaps all of us who oppose the concept of nations attacking other nations, militarily or otherwise, should recognize the threat Russia poses and support Ukraine with more than merely half hearted weapons transfers.
This is “whataboutism” and you should not do it.
This is exactly as much whataboutism as the comment I replied to…if you ignore my second sentence.
How was the comment you replied to whataboutism? Please, elaborate. I want to understand how you think.
Upon consideration, it wasn’t so much whataboutism as it was hyperbole. Which was the entire point of my original comment.
You’re a hot mess, friend. Keep your chin up.
I’ll continue to use you as my guiding light. Or not.
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Try harder. Please find one comment from me where I’m not critical of Israel’s response to the Gaza situation.
Fair. Disregard my comment.
That’s because Russia took fuck all in 2023 when they were stuck at Avdiivka for months and months, way longer than expected by all sides. Once it fell, there were fewer natural choke points for Ukraine until Pokrovsk, and defense lines were not well prepared enough. So comparing taking a lot of fields to sending troops to capture a static point for a year is not really apples to apples imo.
Kursk is and always was a gambit. My view is that losses and disorganization on the frontline from Ukrainian’s part on the Donetsk side, is independent from the results of the Kursk incursion, not because of it. As such, whether it was a overall good idea or not in hindsight, it appears that the primary objective of the incursion was met, as every troop, NK or Russian, stationed to recapture Kursk is one fewer re-inforcing the offensive in other areas.
The primary objective of the Kursk gambit had to have been to fundamentally alter the course of the war – either by drawing NATO countries more directly in, or by tanking Russian public opinion, or by credibly threatening Moscow. It failed; it’s a bump in the road, not a course change.
And what evidence do you have that North Korean troops are in Ukraine? Keep in mind the U.S. has spy satellites that can read a license plate, so I’m looking for something solid, not merely a comment from a Ukranian official.
I’m not sure that’s right.
Nobody knows alternate timelines of course, but I wonder if NK troops would have been at all engaged were it not for Kursk - and NK engagement is very favourable for both sides of the agreement, and really bad news for the rest of us.
Also I don’t know how many of the Russian Kursk troops are conscripts, but those would not have been in Donetsk anyway.
and NK engagement is very favourable for both sides of the agreement,
Then NK troops was always going to happen. It’s not a penalty for Kursk invasion, but a security partnership that should have been predicted.
I wonder if NK troops would have been at all engaged were it not for Kursk
It’s a valid thought. I’d think Russia would find whatever excuse was convenient, even if it weren’t for an incursion, something like “Western allies are supporting Ukraine”, or whatever. At the end of the day, NK needs food and Russia needs warm bodies so that calculus on the deal doesn’t change.
